HCLSIG/SWANSIOC/Meetings/2009-12-4 Conference Call

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Conference Details

  • Date of Call: Friday Dec 4, 2009
  • Time of Call: 11:00am Eastern Time
  • Dial-In #: +1.617.761.6200 (Cambridge, MA)
  • Dial-In #: +33.4.89.06.34.99 (Nice, France)
  • Dial-In #: +44.117.370.6152 (Bristol, UK)
  • Participant Access Code: 4257 ("HCLS")
  • IRC Channel: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #HCLS (see W3C IRC page for details, or see Web IRC)
  • Duration: ~1 hour
  • Convener: Tim Clark
  • Scribe: Scott

Agenda

  • Report back from Rhetorical Structure group
  • Report on CITO alignment status
  • AOB

Minutes

SciDisc 04 Dec 2009

See also: IRC log Attendees

Present 

   AnnaMaria, Matthias, Tim, Anita, Paolo, Jodi, Marco, Scott

Regrets Chair 

   Tim Clark

Scribe 

   mscottm

Contents

  • Topics
  • Summary of Action Items

Anita: Use cases for creating a structured rhetorical document

tim: there is growing collection of ontologies, i call that consolidated knowledge

Anita: first, a computer science article

tim: new developments in science are published in free text, though.

Anita: second, a pharmacology, and a third in biomedicine.

tim: people want to link both.

tim: e.g., experiments with entity recognition tools (reflect etc.)

Tim: identity tools such as what is used in Reflect and other things

Tim: course grained structure, is MD a protein in a chicken or a credential. ... PD is that a gene or a disease? ... Our use case says that if you can define the structure of the article as the source of a statement and entity, it would improve entity recognition enormously ... Try Reflect to see how it works at the moment.

Anita: We have 3 granularities, one for each use case 1) computer sci 2) pharmacology 3) biomedicine ... 3 Discourse Models essentially: 1) SWAN 2) SALT 3) ABCDE ... Annotation, Background, Consultation, Discussion, and Entities

Paolo: We started working on ABCDE and Anita will share the docs on ABCDE in order to start working on it.

Anita: We'll start with all the elements of the existing discourse models and see how far it takes us. ... Want to have the first version of the discourse by Christmas.

Paolo: Can you access the wiki now? ... you should be able to.

Anita: It still says immutable page.

<jodi> Is this the wiki page you're talking about? http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIGUseCases

Marco: A few things of interest, latest developments: ConceptWiki is now online. ... and the ConceptLinker. ... The concepts recognized are linked to the ConceptWiki and the concept wiki community can participate in disambiguation. (These things are resulting from work in the Concept Web Alliance).

http://www.myexperiment.org/groups/182

ConceptLinker: http://amigo.hooft.net:8080/linker/index.html

Marco: Please don't distribute at this point.

<jodi> I'm happy to lend a hand.

<jodi> http://imageweb.zoo.ox.ac.uk/pub/2009/citobase/cito-20091124-1.4/cito-content/owldoc/

Tim: David Shotton published version 1.4 of CITO on the web now.

Anita: I will be talking with Jeffrey Builder from CrossRef pretty soon and would like to see what he thinks of this.

Paolo: <something about ontological support for bibliographic references> ... It's good to discuss about CITO. Would like to look at relating bibliographic references to each other. If you want to discuss the CITO paper, it's fine.

Tim: Next topic was a proposal by Matthias

Matthias: I was referring to a e-mail discussion initiated by Anita about possibly moving the HyPER work closer to SciDisc work.

Anita: Yes, there seems to be a lot of overlap and maybe there doesn't need to be two separate groups. The HyPER meeting was mostly just to get people together and the direction taken by SciDisc is very similar and could possibly include HyPER. Maybe Tim could comment.

Tim: Would you say that HyPER is broader or narrower than HCLS?

Anita: There are two ways of looking at it. Could be seen as a little of both. In any event, there is a lot of overlap.

Tim: In a task force we need to keep it applied to biomedicine and tasks in that domain. ... We would be very restrictive for HyPER if we force it to fit in a "biomedical bottle".

Anita: I just met Egon Willighagen at SWAT4LS. Just wondering how things fit together. How does chemistry fit into HCLS?

<egonw> I see ...

<egonw> HC + LS as involving drugs

<egonw> and drug protein interaction

<egonw> that's the kind of chemistry we do in our group

Tim: As long as the chemical compounds have some biological relevance.

Scott: biological activity could be used as the criterion

Anita: It seems that HyPER won't be subsumed by SciDisc.

Tim: There is no need for HyPER to start its own biomedical activities but we can remain friends and work together in that area.

matthias?

Tim: AOB?

Scott: Friday slot is difficult, especially for Europeans.

Tim: Other times, days that are available?

Scott: (all in ET) Tues 10AM, 11AM (depending on COI plans), 12PM Wed 10AM, 12PM

Tim: Next meeting: Dec. 18 11AM ET, I'll poll about a new time/day.

Summary of Action Items

  • Tim - to poll about new time/day
  • Eric/Scott - to find out about availability of other time slots/days
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